7月7日，ORIGYN项目CEO Daniel做客IMFI DAO，畅聊“Dfinity生态NFT赛道探路者”。据他介绍，ORIGYN是一家Web 3.0公司，通过计算机视觉、机器学习、人工智能等技术提供真实性的保证，目前有充足的资金应对熊市。

尽管近期市场低迷，NFT市场缺乏生机，Daniel却认为基本面良好、流动性过剩，而ORIGYN孵化的NFT平台Impossible也在近期发行Pass卡，支持用户交易原始证书，旨在提供“下一代NFT市场上看到的东西”。 

以下为对话全文：

Q1：首先请Daniel介绍下自己和ORIGYN。

Welcome Daniel! Firstly ,Daniel,please introduce yourself and ORIGYN 

A1：Hi Sure!  Great to be here.  I was born in Switzerland but grew up in Boston.   I joined the Big-4 firm EY after University as a Jr. consultant and spent the next 20 years traveling the globe working in Financial services.  When I returned to Switzerland in 2014 I was a Partner at EY.  It was then that I started working in BTC and blockchain.  After 20 years in the global financial system I was in love with the immutability of the blockchain.  I knew it was the future.  I have been working professionally in blockchain as a founder or CEO since. 

Our team here is one of the best I have ever worked with.  Starting with our founders.  Gian Boschler, serial entrepreneur in crypto, co-founder of DFINITY as well.  Mike Schwartz, Ex head of Boston Consulting Digital Ventures, with a history of building unicorns in tech. And Vincent Perriard with over 20 years of Luxury experience.  They have set up ORIGYN foundation with a long term vision and mission.  

At ORIGYN people work on a mission.  There is no equity structure, and everything is done to fulfill the mission of being the global standard on Identity, authenticity, and proof of ownership for items of value. The team is motivated by contributing something to this cause.  And the reward is for all token holders. 

What ORIGYN does is actually so simple it's a bit boring.  We provide a guarantee of authenticity.  If something has an ORIGYN certificate of authenticity turns out not to be authentic, we pay.  Simple. 

Now how we do that is quite complex.  We use Computer Vision, Machine Learning, Artificial Intelligence and microstructure traceability to create these Certificates.  So basically once we have minted an NFT of a luxury item, say a Rolex, we put these ultra high resolution images into the ICP blockchain.  From there, we can validate the authenticity through a number of ways, including, soon, your smartphone.  

你好,当然可以!很高兴来到这里。我出生在瑞士，但在波士顿长大。大学毕业后，我以小顾问的身份加入了四大会计师事务所安永(EY)，在接下来的20年里，我在全球各地从事金融服务工作。2014年，我回到瑞士，成为安永(EY)的合伙人。从那时起，我开始在BTC和区块链工作。在全球金融体系工作了20年后，我爱上了区块链的永恒。我知道这就是未来。从那以后，我一直在区块链担任创始人或CEO。

我们这里的团队是我共事过的最好的团队之一。从我们的创始人开始，Gian Boschler是加密领域的连续企业家，也是DFINITY的联合创始人。迈克·施瓦茨，波士顿咨询数字风险投资公司前负责人，在科技行业有打造独角兽企业的历史。文森特·佩里亚德，在奢侈品行业有20多年的经验，他们成立了ORIGYN基金会，有着长远的愿景和使命。

在ORIGYN工作的成员都肩负着使命。没有股权结构，所有的工作都是为了实现具有有价值物品的身份、真实性和所有权证明的全球标准。团队的动力来自于为这份事业做出贡献。当然，所有代币持有者都将获得奖励。

ORIGYN做的事情其实很简单。我们提供真实性的保证。如果某样东西有ORIGYN的真伪证书，结果证明不是真的，我们就付钱。逻辑非常简单。

但是我们实现这个过程是相当复杂的。我们使用计算机视觉、机器学习、人工智能和微观结构追溯来创建这些证书。所以基本上，一旦我们创造出奢侈品的NFT，比如劳力士，我们就把这些超高分辨率的图像放入ICP区块链中。在此基础上，我们可以通过多种方式验证真实性，未来也会包括智能手机。 

Q2：相比于以太坊、solana等公链，DFINITY生态有些小众，会不会限制ORIGYN的发展？你们未来考虑多链部署吗？

Compared with ethereum, Solana and other public chains, DFINITY ecology is a little niche which will restrict ORIGYN's development? Are you considering multi-chain deployments in the future?

A2：Definitely.  At the moment clearly these chains have a market leading position in the NFT market, DeFi marketplace and on the exchanges.  In a similar way that Fax machines had a clear and dominating position in the market, and how BlockBuster Video had a dominating market position before Netflix took over.  DFINITY and the ICP ecosystem are the next generation of decentralized infrastructure in a similar way that people moved from FAX to emails they will adopt only probably faster. 

The ICP is also so powerful that it is already being used to provide the richer content for ETH NFTs on OpenSea.  Development is underway to provider full interoperability with ETH and BTC, and other chains.

目前，很明显，这些链在NFT市场、DeFi市场和交易所都处于市场领先地位。类似地，传真机在市场上有一个明确的主导地位，BlockBuster视频在Netflix接管之前也有一个主导地位。DFINITY和ICP生态系统是下一代去中心化的基础设施，类似于人们从传真转移到电子邮件，他们可能只会采用更快的方式。

ICP也非常强大，它已经被用于为OpenSea上的ETH NFTs提供更丰富的内容。目前正在进行开发，以提供与ETH和BTC以及其他链的完全兼容的互操作性。

Q3：我注意到，知名区块链媒体Cointelegraph近期有报道ORIGYN在数字认证方面的成果，能否具体介绍下你们的数字认证业务？

I noticed that Cointelegraph, a well-known blockchain media, recently reported ORIGYN's achievements in digital authentication. Could you tell me more about your digital authentication business plans? 

A3：ORIGYN is a Web 3.0 company and uses a selection of technologies to create superior certificates that are immutable linked to objects via the biometry of the object. ORIGYN technologies including computer vision, machine learning, artificial intelligence as well as the decentralized infrastructure of the Internet Computer (ICP). 

The combination of these technologies results in a better certificate, one that does not require marking or otherwise altering the item it is certifying.  The combination of metadata, microstructure traceability, and machine learning, allow the ORIGYN platform and applications to be used to re-identify the items. This makes the certification for valuable items easier and cost effective. 

At the moment it works for a selection of objects, and the list is growing daily.  ORIGYN has already collected the largest repository of watch image data in the world, and this database is growing with every interaction. 

As we expand the scope of our certificates to jewelry, leather goods, and collectables, we will also expand the AI based services to these objects.  In the meantime we can still offer certificates of authenticity, and insurance on these certificates. 

ORIGYN是一家Web 3.0公司，使用精选的技术创建高级证书，这些证书通过对象的生物计量学与对象联系在一起，是不可变的。ORIGYN的技术包括计算机视觉、机器学习、人工智能以及互联网计算机(ICP)的去中心化基础设施。 

这些技术的结合产生了一个更好的证书，一个不需要标记或以其他方式改变其认证的项目。元数据、微观结构可追溯性和机器学习的结合，允许使用ORIGYN平台和应用程序重新识别项目。这使得贵重物品的认证更容易，成本更低。

目前，它用于对象的选择，列表每天也在增长。ORIGYN已经收集了世界上最大的手表图像数据库，这个数据库随着每次交互而不断增长。

随着我们将证书的范围扩大到珠宝、皮具和收藏品，我们也将把基于人工智能的服务扩大到这些物品。在此期间，我们仍然可以提供真伪证明，并为这些证明投保。 

Q4：查阅官推可知，ORIGYN跟很多传统机构保持合作，这些合作会给你们带来哪些实质性的帮助？ 

According to official tweets, ORIGYN maintains cooperation with many traditional institutions. So What positive effects will these cooperation bring? 

A4：ORIGYN is a Web 3.0 company, and as many people are realizing, this is the next wave of web.  It also has a steep learning curve.  ORIGYN’s use case is so simple though that we really don't need to explain all the complex items that are required to run it.  Provenance, where something comes from, in whose possession has it been, is it real, and does the person who is trying to sell have the right to sell it. These are questions that people can understand without having any understanding of blockchain.  We now have the technology to make sure all these questions are answered immutably and we take these risks from the ability to trade.

Getting the legacy enterprises into this equation early is extremely important.  If you buy a Boeing dreamliner you also get 700 pallets of paper tracking equipment with airplane, each a certificate of authenticity for a part on the airplane.  If you get it wrong and the airplanes start dropping out of the sky: big trouble. Surely there is a better way to track these pieces? 

Legacy companies have a lot to do to move to this new world.  Interestingly the gap between those that have switched on, and those that have not is growing.  And its turing into something of a cliff.  There will be entire economies that will never change over without regime change.  This applies to business as well as government.  Its important to help as many as we can to move early and gain the advantages of early conversion.  

We are working with some of the top names in the industry.  Including UEFA, Luxury brands, retail distributors, as well as CPO.  In ART we are working with some of the best Galleries and artists.  We also have some amazing investors, like Bill Ackman, Polychain Capital, VECTR VC, Global Blockchain Fund and others.  Of course as the biggest project on the ICP, and sharing a co-founder, we have great support from the DFINITY community.   

We try not to make a distinction between Legacy and web 3.0 because that’s for the analysts, we try to focus on solutions and solving problems.  Once people realize ORIGYN can solve some of their problems we dont focus on why they chose ORIGYN, we just work on making them happy they made the right choice. 

ORIGYN是一家Web 3.0公司，正如许多人意识到的那样，这是下一波Web浪潮。它的学习曲线也很陡峭。虽然ORIGYN的用例非常简单，但我们真的不需要解释运行它所需的所有复杂项。出处，即某物的来源，它曾在谁手中，它是真的吗，以及试图出售它的人是否有权出售它。这些问题即使人们不了解区块链也能理解。我们现在有技术来确保所有这些问题都得到唯一的回答，而我们也具备承担交易风险的能力。

尽早将遗留企业纳入是极其重要的。如果你买了一架波音梦幻客机，你还会得到700个纸质跟踪设备，每一个都是飞机上某个部件的真伪证明。如果你做错了，飞机开始从天上掉下来:大麻烦。肯定有更好的方法来追踪这些碎片吧?

传统公司要想进入这个新世界还有很多工作要做。有趣的是，那些打开了开关的人和没有打开开关的人之间的差距正在扩大，如果不改变政权，整个经济体将永远不会改变。这既适用于政府，也适用于企业。这是重要的帮助尽可能多，我们可以尽早行动，并获得早期转换的优势。

我们尽量不区分Legacy和web 3.0，因为那是为分析人员准备的，我们尽量专注于解决方案和解决问题。一旦人们意识到ORIGYN可以解决他们的一些问题，我们就不会关注他们为什么选择ORIGYN，我们只会让他们感到高兴，因为他们做出了正确的选择。

Q5：前不久，由ORIGYN孵化的NFT平台Impossible发行Pass卡，持有者有哪些权益？目前Impossible进展如何？

We know that the IMPOSSIBLE , an NFT platform incubated by ORIGYN, issued a Pass card. What are the rights and interests of the holders? How is the IMPOSSIBLE doing so far?

Q5：Impossible things is the marketplace where you can trade ORIGYN certificates.  The market place has some amazing items coming up with some fantastic drops.  The sports legends that are working with ORIGYN are amazing.  They come to us because they dont want to do a “me-too!” on Eth with some half baked concept copying something that was successful a year ago.   They come to us because they have zero limits to their ambitions.  Want to have seamless interaction with BTC and ETH, no problem.  Want to stream HDMI straight from on-chain resources, no problem.  Want to have an immutable certificate of authenticity with insurance valid globally, no problem.    

So imagine the things you are going to see for sale on the next generation of NFT marketplace. Then you know where Impossible Things is going and even a bit about why we named it the way we did. 

Impossible是用户可以交易原始证书的市场。市场中出现了一些很棒的道具。

与ORIGYN合作的体育界传奇们都很了不起。他们来找我们，因为他们不想和别的产品一样仅仅在Eth链上添加一些半生不熟的理念，并复制了一年前成功的内容。他们来找我们，因为他们的野心没有限制。想要与BTC和ETH无缝交互，没问题。想要从链上资源直接流HDMI，没有问题。想要有一个具有保险且全球有效的不可变的真实性证书，也没有问题。 

所以想象一下你将在下一代NFT市场上看到的东西。这样你就知道《不可能的事情》的发展方向了，甚至还知道为什么我们会这样命名它。

Q6：目前加密市场不景气，NFT市场也缺乏生机，ORIGYN接下来打算如何深耕NFT赛道？

At present, the crypto market is not good, and the NFT market is also lack of vitality.Does ORIGYN has any plans to further develop the NFT filed？

A6：Not good? Says who? If you ask me, the fundamentals have never been better.  There was a lot of excess liquidity.  Governments turned on the cash pumps during CO-VID and there was no place to spend it except assets.  Crypto is the first hit, and hit hard.  Also first out the gate for recovery.  The way the purge happened, the forces in effect with the LUNA tear down… think what you want of that.  I myself don't thing the trauma associated with these corrections is necessary, but hey, its Crypto.  My father tells me getting old is no place for cowards.  Neither is crypto. Unregulated or unregulatable (good luck mr. translater) also means more vultures.  So faster pull back than assets like the housing market.  

Last Crypto Winter the leading companies of today emerged.  This one will be no different.  Thankfully ORIGYN is well funded and as the biggest project on DFINTIY ICP has reserves.  Also we are a Swiss Foundation.  So its a consolidation moment and we see interesting projects coming to us for support.  

不好？谁说的？如果你问我，基本面从来没有这么好过。流动性过剩很多。政府在 CO-VID 期间放水，除了资产外没有其他地方可以使用它。加密是第一个打击，而且打击很重。也是第一个走出康复大门的人。大清洗的方式，LUNA的有效力量被摧毁了…想想你想要什么。我自己认为修正这些创伤不是必要的，但这是加密货币。无管制的或不可管制的也意味着更多的秃鹰。所以比房地产市场等资产更快的回调。

上个加密熊市出现了今天的领先公司。这个不会有什么不同。幸好ORIGYN资金充足，作为ICP最大的项目有储备。我们也是瑞士基金会。所以这是一个可以整合其他资源得时刻，我们看到有趣的项目向我们寻求支持。

Q7：今年以来，各类Web3概念和玩法不断出现，很多机构也不断在这一赛道加码。ORIGYN计划打造自己的Web3生态吗？

Since the beginning of this year, various Web3 concepts have been emerging, and many organizations have also been increasing their efforts on this filed. Is ORIGYN planning to build its own Web3 ecosystem?

A7：Um… All of Web 3.0 is sort of one evolutionary step that will happen.  No matter what.  The first ones out will spend a lot of time educating. There is no difference between being too early and being wrong.  So this is like the tide coming in.  At some point the keel depth will be enough to pull out of the harbor. Those that try early will be very educational to the rest of us.  But honestly this tipping point has already happened during COVID, and I think no one has really noticed it yet. 

ORIGYN is a Web 3.0 company.  So everything we do is build this ecosystem out: there is no other way.  If you look at what some of the early ones out are doing to right themselves, you see the way that this is moving.  The innovation that made the Bored Apes take mutant juice, and create 2 Mutants is genius.  The gated community approach and the evolution of NFTs to real world experiences is a concept of networking and scarcity that we are only starting to realize. And it's filled with revenue opportunities.  

We are looking with a very interested eye at the interoperability between metaverses and the system that will enforce scarcity between them.  How do you make sure that your assets are not replicated between the metaverses, one running on ETH and the other on BNB.  What a wonderful place for the next generation of blockchain infrastructure like ORIGYN, a Swiss non profit foundation based on Authenticity to play a role. 

Have a look at CryptoPolis.io  a metaverse social climbing play-to-earn game. Your character climbs the tower and gets status in each level.  Status unlocks rewards.  In one level you unlock a virtual ROLEX.  The certificate actually gives you the real ROLEX backed by ORIGYN guarantee.  Real World scarcity brought to the metaverse. 

So in the lobby between your GTA VI game and CandyCrush Ultimate, you will be able to show your assets and enforce scarcity between chains. NICE. 

嗯……所有的 Web 3.0 都是一种将要发生的进化步骤。无论。第一个出来的产品将花费大量时间进行培育。过早和错误没有区别。那些早点尝试的人将对我们其他人很有教育意义。但老实说，这个转折点已经在 COVID 期间发生了，我认为还没有人真正注意到它。 

ORIGYN 是一家 Web 3.0 公司。所以我们所做的一切都是建立这个生态系统：别无他法。如果你看看一些早期的人正在做些什么来纠正自己，你就会看到它正在发展的方式。让无聊猿吸食突变果汁并创造 2 个突变体的创新是天才。封闭式社区方法和 NFT 向现实世界体验的演变是我们才刚刚开始意识到的网络和稀缺性概念。它充满了创收机会。

我们正在以非常感兴趣的眼光看待元宇宙系统之间的互操作性，这将加强它们之间的稀缺性。你如何确保你的资产不会在元宇宙之间复制，一个在 ETH 上运行，另一个在 BNB 上。对于像 ORIGYN 这样的基于 Authenticity 的瑞士非营利基金会这样的下一代区块链基础设施来说，是一个多么美妙的地方。

看看 CryptoPolis.io 一个元宇宙社交攀登游戏。你的角色爬上塔并在每个级别获得状态。状态解锁奖励。在一个级别中，您解锁了一个虚拟劳力士。该证书实际上为您提供了由 ORIGYN 保证支持的真正 ROLEX。现实世界的稀缺性带来了元宇宙。

因此，在您的 GTA VI 游戏和 CandyCrush Ultimate 之间的大厅中，您将能够展示您的资产并强制链之间的稀缺性.这很不错

自由问答：Free Q&A

Q1：ORIGIN是否有开发中国市场的计划?

Does ORIGIN have any plans to develop the Chinese market?

A1：Definitely! Infact it is one of our main focus areas. We are working with stars like David Beckham and others to give them a way to get certified memorabilia to the market in CN in a way where counterfeit goods are no longer an issue. Thats important to collectors and to the artists.

当然!事实上，这是我们主要关注的领域之一。我们正在与贝克汉姆等明星合作，为他们提供一种途径，让他们将经过认证的纪念品在中国市场上销售，这样假冒商品就不再是问题。这对收藏家和艺术家来说都很重要。

Q2：你能谈谈你们平台的安全性吗?如何保证我们资金的安全?你们有独立的保安团队来监督吗？

Can you talk about the security of your platform? How to ensure the safety of our funds? Do you have an independent security team to supervise

A2：we use the same ledger canister as ICP. We share a lot of the same security procedures and remain ever vigilant.

我们使用与ICP共享许多相同的安全程序，并始终保持警惕。

Q3: 项目代币是否已发行?

Have the project tokens been issued?

A3：Yes, tokens are issued and you can buy them on MEXC Global (OGY) or Bitrue, as well as the SONIC DEX. Right now the token price is idling. If you read the demand, it will double in price with about 20k uSD. Over the course of the next weeks and months, our NODES will be coming on line. Each node is required to stake tokens (250,000 USD worth). And there are a lot coming on line in the summer. As these nodes start to issue certificates, then you will have a use of OGY as they are destroyed in the process.

是的，代币是发行的，用户可以在MEXC Global (OGY)或Bitrue上购买，也可以在SONIC DEX上购买。目前，代币价格处于横盘状态。如果你看一下需求，价格会翻倍，大约2万美元。在接下来的几周和几个月里，我们的节点将上线。每个节点需要下注代币(价值25万美元)。夏天会有很多东西上线。当这些节点开始颁发证书时，您就可以使用OGY，因为它们在这个过程中被销毁了。

Q4：我知道ORIGYN项目为产品生产区块链真伪证书。如果物品有原产地证明的真实性，那么它在世界上的真实性就可以得到保证。如果有假货，基金会将全额支付费用。我的问题是如果我们需要支付赔偿，我们是在购买地支付还是在Origin的DAPP上支付？

I know the origin project, which produces blockchain authenticity certificates for products. If the article has origin certificate of authenticity, its authenticity in the world can be guaranteed. If there is a fake, the foundation will pay the fee in full. My question is if we need to pay compensation, shall we pay at the place of purchase or on Origin's DAPP

A4：Good question. Its actually an insurance process and there is a claim, which gets handled in a very old school way. We have built our own insurance company, and its underwriters are from Llyods of London. So it is a really nice service and it is global. 

好问题。这实际上是一个保险过程，有一个索赔，这是用一种非常经典的方式处理的。我们建立了自己的保险公司，其保险商来自伦敦劳埃德保险公司。所以这是一项非常好的服务，而且是全球性的。 

Thank you all for your interest in ORIGYN! Its been really awesome to speak with you all today. I hope that you join our community and hope that impossible things brings something impossibly cool to your life!

感谢大家对ORIGYN的兴趣!今天能和大家交流真是太棒了。我希望你加入我们的社区，希望不可能的事情给你的生活带来不可能的酷!